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Engine noise and internals

Rumbling or growling from inside the engine

Do not rideAlso called: main bearing noise, crank bearing growl, engine growl

Worn ball bearing next to a good one
Worn ball bearing next to a good one
Damaged tapered roller bearing
Damaged tapered roller bearing
Ball, needle and plain bearings in a crankcase half
Ball, needle and plain bearings in a crankcase half
Worn bearing shells: wear that makes knocking and rumble
Worn bearing shells: wear that makes knocking and rumble

A rough rumble or growl that rises and falls with engine speed often comes from a worn crankshaft main bearing, a gearbox bearing or the clutch. Unlike a knock, it is a continuous rough sound. Main bearings wear from dirty or low oil, water in the oil, or age. Sometimes the sound is outside the engine: a wheel bearing, the chain or a dry sprocket. Finding where it comes from is the key.

Is it safe to ride?

Do not ride until checked. A failing main bearing can let the crankshaft move and destroy the engine, and a seizing bearing can lock the rear wheel.

Quick checks first

  • Oil level and colour. Milky or very dirty oil wears bearings.
  • Does the noise change when you pull the clutch lever in, at idle in neutral?
  • Does it happen with the engine running and the bike still, or only when moving?
  • Is the chain dry or the rear wheel noisy when spun by hand?
  • A bearing that binds, then seems to free itself when the shaft is turned back and forth, has not recovered. Do not start the engine.

Diagnose it step by step

1Bike on the centre stand, engine off. Spin the rear wheel by hand (neutral). Is there a rumble or roughness?

2Engine running in neutral, bike still. Is the rumble there?

3Pull the clutch lever in and out at idle. Does the noise change clearly?

4Listen with a long screwdriver on the left cover (generator), the right cover (clutch), and the crankcase below the cylinder. Is it loudest on the crankcase near the crankshaft ends?

  • Yes: main bearing wear is likely. Go to step 5.
  • Loudest on the left cover with a scraping sound: the generator rotor may be touching the stator; workshop.

5Is the oil low, milky or full of metal? Check with Check the engine oil level and Inspect drained oil for clues.

6. Workshop check. The workshop splits the crankcase and checks main bearings, crankshaft runout and gearbox bearings. The K-Light manual replaces the crank assembly if the main bearings are noisy or loose.

Causes, most likely first

Cause How to confirm Fix
Wheel bearing or chain (not engine) Noise when spinning the wheel Check wheel bearings
Clutch or primary drive Changes with lever Inspect and replace clutch plates and springs
Worn crankshaft main bearing Loudest at crankcase, oil dirty Assess bottom end and internal engine damage
Gearbox bearing Only in gear under load Assess internal gearbox faults
Generator rotor rubbing Scrape at left cover Assess bottom end and internal engine damage

Related problems

Sources
  • K-Light 125 manual, PDF pages 191, 236, 241

Values marked K-Light 125 are for that reference bike. Use your own bike's manual for its values. Text CC BY-SA 4.0, Transitions Lab.