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Ignition timing suspected wrong

Ride with careAlso called: timing out, timing advanced, timing retarded, spark timing wrong

Flywheel and crankcase timing marks
Flywheel and crankcase timing marks
Timing light clipped to the handlebar of a test bike
Timing light clipped to the handlebar of a test bike
Clear timing plugs that replace the timing hole cover
Clear timing plugs that replace the timing hole cover
Timing a points ignition with a wrench on the crank nut
Timing a points ignition with a wrench on the crank nut
Turning the engine by hand to line up timing marks
Turning the engine by hand to line up timing marks

The spark must fire a little before the piston reaches the top, earlier at high revs. Too early (advanced) causes pinking (a metallic rattle under load), kickback, overheating and, in bad cases, piston damage. Too late (retarded) causes low power, a hot exhaust and high fuel use. On modern CDI and ECU bikes the timing is set by the electronics and cannot be adjusted (K-Light 125 manual, PDF page 85). So if timing is wrong, something has moved or failed: a sheared flywheel key, a loose flywheel or pick-up, or a wrong or faulty CDI. The K-Light 125 fault charts list a loose flywheel or trigger for overheating and power loss (PDF pages 23 and 25).

Is it safe to ride?

With care. If the engine pinks under load, ease off at once: pinking can damage the piston. Do not ride hard until the timing is checked.

Quick checks first

  • Did the problem start after work on the left engine side (flywheel, stator, pick-up) or after fitting a new CDI?
  • Do you hear pinking under load, or does the kickstarter kick back?
  • Is the fuel the grade your manual asks for? Poor fuel also causes pinking.
  • Is the engine running hot?
  • Is the spark plug colour normal? See Read a spark plug.

Diagnose it step by step

1Is the fuel the correct grade, and is the plug the correct type?

  • No: use the right fuel and plug, then re-test. Pinking that stops with good fuel is not a timing fault.
  • Yes: go to step 2.

2Was the flywheel, stator, pick-up or CDI/ECU recently removed or replaced?

  • Yes: the most likely causes are a sheared or missing flywheel key, a pick-up fitted out of place, or a wrong CDI. Go to step 4.
  • No: go to step 3.

3Does the pick-up test good and is its mounting tight?

4With a timing light, does the "F" mark line up at the stated speed? (K-Light 125: 15° ± 1° before top dead centre at 1500 ± 100 rpm)

  • No: the workshop finds the cause (key, flywheel, pick-up, CDI). Check the ignition timing.
  • Yes: timing is correct. Go to step 5.

5Is the advance working (the mark moves into the advance range at higher revs)?

Causes, most likely first

Cause How to confirm Fix
Poor fuel or wrong plug (not timing) Pinking stops with correct fuel and plug Use correct fuel and plug
Loose pick-up Pick-up moves; erratic spark Test the ignition pick-up
Sheared flywheel key or loose flywheel Marks wrong; after left-side work Check the ignition timing
Wrong or faulty CDI/ECU After replacement; advance not working Diagnose a suspected CDI or ECU fault
Worn points heel, loose points plate or sticking advance weights (points ignition) Timing moves when the plate screws are tightened; marks drift between checks Set points gap and ignition timing, Check spark advance

Reference values (K-Light 125)

Item Value PDF page
Ignition timing 15° ± 1° BTDC at 1500 ± 100 rpm 49

Related problems

Sources
  • K-Light 125 manual, PDF pages 23, 25, 49, 85
  • MAVCC Motorcycle Mechanic, PDF pages 628, 679

Values marked K-Light 125 are for that reference bike. Use your own bike's manual for its values. Text CC BY-SA 4.0, Transitions Lab.